Love and Forgiveness

I am convinced love and forgiveness, rely on one another,  support each other, and essentially are the same actions. I believe them to be the highest, (most important) actions.
Let’s see if this works! (My brain that is)
I don’t know where the words love and forgiveness originated. With the internet, I’m sure it could be easily researched.
I want to approach love and forgiveness more as actions then words, to see if I can get a better feel for them.
Words come from different translations, invoke different feelings, and can easily be misunderstood.
Still, it is a way that we communicate, without actually having to be present.
Love to me feels like……
Love is the most wonderful feeling.
Hmmm…..

Love is what we do when we don’t want to hate. Hmmm….
Some people love to hate.
Love is what we pursue, whether it is in the form of money, inanimate objects, living beings, or anything really.
I suppose the reason we exist, is that we love to exist. We love to be in these physical bodies, so we are. We love to create so we do.
Do we love to die?
We might not love to live forever.
Nature loves to exist or it couldn’t exist.
We are part of nature.
Nature has a cycle, that perpetuates itself.
As part of that cycle we die and also are born.

Okay, these aren’t definitions of love!
I suspect people love everything that they do.
Of course it sounds crazy.
On the surface it would appear crazy.
On a deeper level though………..
First all of existence: All of existence is some kind of energetic something that seems to organize itself in ways, that seem to be ingenious. Far from arbitrary, the organization, appears to be deliberate and purposeful.
What kind of purposeful?
Well, purposeful, rather than accidental.
Accidental, might not be as persistent.
Who said it’s persistent?
Look! You are the one asking the questions. If that isn’t persistent, then I don’t know what is.
Who is answering the questions?
Why, all of existence, of course.
Huh?
All of existence is love, love is all of existence. Look, I didn’t make it up! If you want to boil it all down to one word, existence is love.
Love is one word.
If all of existence is love, then we can only love.
So true!
Then why does it seem that we don’t love?
More later November 4th 2009

This is later, but not so much more. November 17th 2009
I create therefore I am
Does the creator have control of everything?
Creator and Created
Why? Why not?

Who is the Creator?
What is the Creator?
When is the Creator?
Where is the Creator?
Why is the Creator?
How is the Creator?

Nov 19th 2009
Who is the Creator? Before writing about who, what, when, where, why, how, I would first like to write that even though I am attempting to answer seemingly unanswerable questions, (they may truly be unanswerable) I don’t mean them as answers as such.
I am posing them as questions, even though they are written as answers.
In this way, I am able to think more about the original question. (sort of like reverse engineering) Instead of writing a question, I am writing an answer (more or less) in order to possibly discover a better question in my mind.

Who is the Creator? All things and nothing form a logical living collective. It seems like this collective forms an answer for the question who.

What is the Creator? All things and nothing.

When is the Creator? If we accept that there may not be a beginning or an end to all things and nothing, then time sounds like a measuring tool, and can only measure things within the endless, therefore timeless parameters.

Where is the Creator? This also seems to be a time issue. The concept of “where” is a relative based on the distance measured from other objects. (If space is infinite, then distance and the time traveled between these distances show “where” to be relative.)

Why is the Creator? Why? Because we like you! (from the Mickey Mouse Club) It actually seems to fit, because creation apparently (to me) exists because it likes to, or, really, “Loves” to. Love is creation. Creation is Love!

How is the Creator? Does the creator define itself? Okay, those are two questions yes, but how seems to be asking how creation/creator does everything. Apparently we (creators) define creation how ever we please. We create, we think about what we create, and we think who, what, when, where, why, how. If one thinks of the creator as the collective of all of creation or (God) then God would also think about what he creates, and also think who, what, when, where, why, and how.

It seems to be that we are not only part of, and caught up in the creation, but are inseparable from the creation, and the creator.

November 18th 2009
Does the creator have control of everything, meaning micro manages the universe without ceasing?

Yes and No

Good answer!

Yes and No

Hmmm

The creator and creation cannot be separate, therefore everything (creator/creation) interacts with and affects everything.

See the problem with creating things, and creatures, is that they in turn create other things and creatures and interact with everything else.

It is not so much a problem as it just means that the freedom to create, may yield unexpected results.

Now I am sure that many people want a creator that is bigger than themselves, and has ultimate control so they have kind of a fail safe backup, when things don’t go according to plan.
We create, or some would say pro-create, other beings. Also we create objects using other objects. Sometimes these creations don’t seem to go according to plan. If we are not separate from creator or creation, (how can we be?) then we really are the plan.

It seems to me that all of creation is working!
I don’t mean that we always are happy with everything individually.
I believe that creation is always happy with everything collectively.
What on earth? er, uh, what in creation?
Happy sounds like something to relate to.
We could just say that creation creates in seemingly random ways that generate seemingly not so random events.
What I mean is creation often seems logical and well ordered, and at the same time can seem illogical and ill-ordered, yet, we are here, we are thinking about creation, and at the same time, we are creating.
Weird huh?
Yes it is. I mean, no it’s not, hmmm Weird huh?

So: Who cares?
Well, seemingly, we do! It is our creation. We are part of it!
So: If we were not here and there were no living beings in all of eternity, and only inanimate objects, then would anyone care?

It seems like no one would, yet the fact that created/creation would still exist and be inseparable from each other, and the fact that the (to us) seemingly random events have led to an ordering of objects and living creatures, then one might say that creation does care!

It may be hard to think of creator/creation as other than a human type being.
I believe many feel that God, means human like yet immortal.
Maybe creator/creation is human like yet immortal!
I have read that we were created in Gods image.
Maybe that is the meaning, that we look like God and create like God.
It could be that what we call God is the natural order of all things, and is inseparable from all things.

It seems to me that if we want bailed out of difficulty by God like I mentioned earlier, then indeed we are bailed out, meaning that (eventually) things will change, and the natural order of things will continue.

If we think we ought to be bailed out immediately, and on our own terms then perhaps it doesn’t quite work that way.
I am sure some believe it does work that way, and if it doesn’t then somehow we are to blame, and if we would have done what God wanted us to then we wouldn’t have had any problems in the first place!

I have to believe that there is a natural order to all things. I can’t prove it, but it seems to be so. Also, I believe it is possible for a being to live following the natural order of things.
Listening to God if you will.
I like analogies and would liken this listening to God to gliding your boat with the current instead of trying to row it up stream. (row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream).